[mythtv] Dual tuner card

Thu Jan 23 12:16:05 EST 2003

So when can I expect to be able to buy a dual tuner card that will work in 
linux?

I will build a MythTV System soon for devel purposes.
I am looking into the barebones formfactor (ie Shuttle) which has a max of 2 
PCI slots so a dual tuner card is almost key to have.

PS

On Thursday 23 January 2003 11:41 am, Micah Morton wrote:
> Honest? I was told that LindowsOS was closed source. As were all of its
> utilities (including Click'n'Run). However, what you are saying is that
> click'n'run may be available for other distro's as well?  If so, that
> would be incredible!  I would love to tell people that my mother uses
> linux. :)

My mother does run linux ;)
Mandrake 7.2 at that

It is adequate for web and e-mail on a P200 with 128MB EDO RAM
It did take a LOT of tweaking (by me) to make it useable.
It's got icewm, dfm, netscape, kmail, xmms, kmidi, staroffice 5.1, but it does 
the job and is very stable.

There is however no hope of her changing anything on the system herself
I have to ssh in and make the changes.

So the barrier here, really is :
how to make it easy for new users to install manage and update a system.

Sorry for being off topic with this post

> I've made the switch, but I would LOVE to see more people do the
> same. Takes a lot of tweaking to get a linux desktop just the way you like
> it. If you can eliminate the tweaking factor, it would be a very ideal
> desktop. We need more games too. :)

Eliminating the tweaking factor
is the whole idea behind a distribution

sure you could roll your own linux, but you gotta tweak a lot
when you buy a sony laptop you get a "sony distribution of windows"
lots of preinstalled software and lots of tweaked settings
wipe this laptop clean and put stock windows on it
it will take you a week to install drivers for all the unknown devices and 
such.

The key to a good distribution then is getting the default settings right and 
like you said eliminating the tweaking (like not having to learn how to make 
desktop icons, and to associate filetypes with programs or having to set up 
browser plugins), otherwise what's the point behind making a distribution.

>
> --Micah Morton
> --Linux Network Test Engineer
> --Intel Corp
>
> > LindowsOS is Open Source and GPL and as such, I believe the source code
> > will be made available according to the GPL.  

It makes sense to have the distribution specific things non GPL
like YaST for SuSE and Click'N'Run for Lindows

but all drivers and such should be GPL

> >The real value in
> > LindowsOS is not the OS itself but rather the simplicity of the Click N
> > Run agent .  Non techie users (i.e. my mom, etc) would not even dream of
> > apt-get or rpm -i anything via konsole and I would not want them to as
> > it would be a support nightmare (it is bad enough helping her with
> > Microsoft Windows).  With the Click N Run Warehouse, you can select what
> > application you want and simply click on it and it installs, creates
> > start menu icons and / or desktop icons and you are all set.  Say you
> > want Star Office, click on it and it installs.  No need  to apt-get, rpm
> > -i, sh installer.sh, etc.
> >
> > This will surely push Linux to the desktop as it will not be so scary
> > for first time users.
> >
> > On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 09:57, Micah Morton wrote:
> >> Interesting - I have a couple questions though. Once conexant releases
> >> a driver for linux, will it be only for lindowsOS? or will it be
> >> released for all linux variants?  I'm concerned about this because
> >> although I have nothing against lindowsOS and actually thing its
> >> pretty awesome, I feel dirty paying for closed source software. So, I
> >> may switch to lindows down the line, but for now, mandrake/debian will
> >> have to do.
> >>
> >> Also, the other drivers developed for lindows... will they too be
> >> lindows only? or will the driver make its way to the linux market via
> >> open source?
> >>  Any info is GREATLY appreciated!
> >>
> >> Let the year of the linux desktop begin!
> >>
> >> --Micah Morton
> >> --Linux Network Test Engineer
> >> --Intel Corp
> >>
> >> > Actually, I have had the head of driver development for Conexant in
> >>
> >> my office all week working on the linux driver with our engineers
> >> (not a "rep").  We should have a driver for the 23880/1 chip ready
> >> in a few weeks.  I have already gotten it to work with 2.4.20 kernel
> >> and we are working out a few bugs.
> >>
> >> > You have to remember, this is the year of the "Linux Desktop".
> >>
> >> Everyone is in a mad scramble to catch up with the growing demand
> >> for linux on the desktop.  As our company is at the forefront of the
> >> Linux Desktop movement, I see the the demand for drivers first hand.
> >>  Almost on a daily basis, I get calls from various hardware and chip
> >> makers and vendors looking to develop or have us develop linux
> >> drivers for their product.  Conexant happens to be one that
> >> contacted us and is urgently looking to get out a linux driver for
> >> their latest chipset.
> >>
> >> > I will keep you posted and as I love the MythTV project, I will make
> >>
> >> sure that you guys are the first to know when we release the
> >> Conexant driver for the 23880/1 chipset.
> >>
> >> > --
> >> > Merle Reine <merle.reine at lindows.com>
> >> > Lindows.com Hardware Certification
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 19:52, Bruce Markey wrote:
> >> >> tarek Lubani wrote:
> >> >> > I don't for a moment believe that's genuine naivete...
> >> >>
> >> >> Busted ;-) I wanted Merle to think about how empty that
> >> >> non-promise is. In fact, my interpretation is that he was
> >> >> told "no" and didn't understand. "That should be possible",
> >> >> "we're currently exploring that", "this is on our list of
> >> >> future enhancments", "blah, blah, future release", and
> >> >> "this is a priority" are all polite ways for customers
> >> >> reps to say "no" and let the customer believe whatever
> >> >> they'd like without making any promises.
> >> >>
> >> >> --  bjm
> >> >>
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> >> > Merle Reine <merle.reine at lindows.com>
> >> > Lindows.com Hardware Certification
> >> >
> >> >
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