[mythtv] Channel Selection

[jam at tigger.ws]

Hi

24 hours after trying to subscribe to myth-users there is no ack.
Maybe someone here can help:

In Perth I have no grabber. I have no xml listings.
With 0.16 I set PIDs, serviceIDs and freq by hand - all works fine

With 0.17, CVS

SCAN works and finds channels.
SCAN again says 'already in database'.

mythconverg->dvb-channels and ->dvb-pids remains empty.
I presume running mythfilldatabase without any valid source is an error.
I did not do it with 0.16

How do I get any channel info into 0.17 ?

Thanks
James