[mythtv] should mythtv be forked?

[Isaac Richards]

On Monday 21 March 2005 01:35 pm, andrew burke wrote:
> > Right, because what type of repository the source is stored in is
> > absolutely integral to the end user experience.
>
> Subversion is, quite simply, a more robust solution than CVS that handles
> branches and changesets better.  As such, it makes it easier to maintain a
> 'stable' branch from which to produce more frequent stable releases.

But it doesn't do jack for the end user who refuses to use it.  I really don't 
see the point of switching.  It'd be a large amount of pain for what I'd see 
as minimal benefits.  If some of the rest of the developers (ie., people who 
actually have a history of contributing) would like to switch, I'd seriously 
consider it, though.

And again - the major time sink in making a release at this point in time is 
making the tarballs, updating the website, writing the changelog, etc.  _NOT_ 
anything dealing with the source.

> >> 2) Better project management.
> >>      - Better branch management
> >>      - Better bug/issue tracking
> >>      - Better documentation
> >
> > Good luck.  I've been trying to get people to help out with that since I
> > started this project.  Haven't had a single offer that was actually
> > followed up on.
>
> I have offered to help in this area 3 times.  Yes, a requirement of that
> help is switching to subversion, which I realize you feel is a big issue,
> but it really *is* a much better versioning system than CVS.

I don't know you from Joe Blow.  So far, your main contribution has been to 
denigrate how I run my project - why should I trust your judgement to do 
anything?  You've also repeatedly said you don't have much time to help, 
remember.

> > How would that be a fork?  If someone that's proved themselves capable to
> > me wanted to do this with the main CVS tree, I'd be happy to let them to
> > it. David even offered to maintain the branch in CVS, but not to do the
> > releases.
>
> That would be great, but I think this is a bigger priority than you're
> taking it as.  To my mind, having a stable branch and doing more point
> releases is absolutely critical for mythtv.

Then why can't you start helping with that?  It's _not_ dependent on switching 
to subversion or _anything_ else.  If you build a 0.17.1 point release tree 
that I agree with the fixes in it, I'll release it.  

> >> potential is huge.  It's time to realize that potential and make the
> >> changes that have to be made to realize it.
> >
> > You're quite funny, really. =)
>
> Yet the people emailing me privately about this don't find me overly
> amusing... strange.

Heh.  There's always lots of people that are for changes.  They always seem to 
go away when it's time to start getting work done, though.

Isaac