[mythtv-users] ivtv / pvr250 MCE problem...

[Scott Pouliot]

Yes, I realize that, but if you don't have the ivtv source, then you don't
have the ivtvfwextract.pl script....and I don't recall ever reading
"download the ivtv source files to get ivtvfwextract.pl" So stop being such
a harda$$ and pay attention.  Not all of us are Linux gods....a LOT of us
are Linux n00bs...myself included.  This is a whole new world for me that
I'm VERY interested in, but not very proficient in....

If you were a Windows n00b and I had told you to do a simple task compiling
some driver program from scratch....you would be asking a lot of questions
as well (especially since the Windows world involves EXE's and not much
compiling if you're a normal user).  If you kept getting people trying to
knock you down a few levels because of the way you were reading something
(correct or incorrect, understanding it or not understanding it) you'd get a
little PO'd too.

This list has been AWESOME for me, but every time I see someone bashing
another person for an "unclear" section of instructions it gets me a little
miffed.  We're all here for the same goal.....so there is always a nice way
to say something...and a "mean" way to say the same thing.  You can be a
harda$$, without being a harda$$ if you know what I mean.

I for one, am not always looking for step-by-step instructions on every task
I can't figure out, but a little nudge in the right direction always helps
me to find my own resolution.  Sometimes, I need more than a nudge.

Keep that in mind when your typing up a response to someone.  RTFM is
usually the first step in any Linux project, but before you can read
it...you gotta find it.  Which is sometimes easier said than done.  So cut
us n00bs a little slack....you were a n00b at some point as well.

Simple instructions like "re-compile the kernel with lirc support" are a
HUUUUGE task for me.  Why?  Because I have to go and find all the info I
need ahead of time and read through it to figure out what the hell I'm
supposed to be doing.  Some of these small tasks have taken me a week to
figure out.  So you can imagine what goes through my head when I read
"extract the firmware with the ivtvfwextract.pl script from ivtv 'utils'
dir".  Well I go looking for the script, but it doesn't exist.  So I do a
web search for it...I find a crapload of documents that mention the name,
but don't offer a download.  I only got past this step due to a mistake I
made.

Scott Pouliot
Certifiable Linux "n00b-let"

-----Original Message-----
From: mythtv-users-bounces at mythtv.org
[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces at mythtv.org] On Behalf Of Boyd II, Willy
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:53 PM
To: 'Discussion about mythtv'
Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] ivtv / pvr250 MCE problem...


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Pouliot [mailto:spouliot at scpsoftware.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:33 PM
>To: 'Discussion about mythtv'
>Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] ivtv / pvr250 MCE problem...
>
>
>...for the record I ran into this SAME problem...and even after reading 
>the documentation I was still confused.  I couldn't find the PL 
>script....and ivtv refused to install...so I was rather stuck until I 
>got passed this step...
>
>Scott

And for the record, ivtvfwextract.pl is included with the ivtv package.  I
quote again:
"extract the firmware with the ivtvfwextract.pl script from ivtv 'utils'
dir".


>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mythtv-users-bounces at mythtv.org
>[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces at mythtv.org] On Behalf Of Boyd II, Willy
>Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:01 PM
>To: 'Discussion about mythtv'
>Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] ivtv / pvr250 MCE problem...
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Gabe Knuth [mailto:me at gabeknuth.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:37 AM
>>To: 'Discussion about mythtv'
>>Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] ivtv / pvr250 MCE problem...
>>
>>
>>Spare me the holier than thou attitude.  I read what I could and it 
>>didn't help me.  The instructions on the site say how to extract from 
>>the CDROM and I did that, to no avail.  I asked how I could
>extract the
>>firmware from the exe's on that are linked to from Jarod's howto and 
>>got no help, so I posted to this list.
>>
>
>::sigh::  Normally I'm on the side of the newbie asking the question, 
>and consider some replies as rather harsh.  But in this instance, I 
>find this thread almost comical.  Let me quote you and compare:
>
>>I
>>asked how I could extract the firmware from the exe's on that are 
>>linked to from Jarod's howto and got no help
>
>And from the Google results which you say you had already found:
>
>>"You should download the Win32 executables/drivers you find on 
>>Hauppauge's site and extract the firmware with the ivtvfwextract.pl 
>>script from ivtv 'utils' dir. It will create two binary .bin
>(firmware)
>>files in your /lib/modules/ dir.
>>These will be loaded to the PVR 250/350 board whenever you load the 
>>drivers... Good luck!"
>
>It clearly says, use the ivtvfwextract.pl script, for the executable 
>drivers (the exe's linked from Jarod's howto, which YOU refered to)
>
>Does anyone else besides me find this funny, or am I missing something?
>
>>Congrats on being able to search. I found that stuff days ago while 
>>trying to work this out.
>
>It would appear then you answered your own question regarding 
>extraction, days ago.
>
>
>>
>>J. Donavan Stanley wrote:
>>
>>> I DID have the answer.  As do most of the people on this list.  The 
>>>fact that you DON'T have the answer demonstrates your basic lack
>>of knowledge
>>>about the system you're setting up.  When provided a link to a place 
>>>where you could educate yourself and LEARN you instead once
>>again took
>>>the easy way out and demanded an answer here.
>>
>>If you had the answer, why not contribute to the group right off the 
>>bat, rather than posting worthless crap?  You are partially
>correct - I
>>don't have a very thorough knowledge of the system I'm setting up.  
>>That's why I'm doing it...to LEARN.  I apologize for not just knowing 
>>how it all works...shame on me.
>>
>>Folks, I tried all the options I could think of before
>posting.  I even
>>RTFM, but it didn't appear that I was doing it right, so after asking 
>>the ivtv guys for help, I moved on to this list.  To those that 
>>provided answers
>>- thank you very much.  When I finally get a backend running
>and figure
>>out how all this works, I'll most definitely contribute
>answers to the
>>list, instead of questions.
>>
>>J. Donavan Stanley - if you want to discuss more, email me offlist.  
>>Quit polluting this list with worthless answers and a poor attitude.
>>
>>Gabe
>>me at gabeknuth.com
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: mythtv-users-bounces at mythtv.org
>>[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces at mythtv.org] On Behalf Of J. 
>>Donavan Stanley
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 4:53 AM
>>To: Discussion about mythtv
>>Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] ivtv / pvr250 MCE problem...
>>
>>Gabe Knuth wrote:
>>
>>>You know what?  Answers like that are not designed to be helpful, 
>>>they're trying to teach someone a lesson that need not be learned.
>>>I've googled, I've looked in the archives, I've even been on the IRC 
>>>channel for ivtv and not had any results.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>No Gabe a smart ass reply meant to teach you a lesson would have been 
>>RTFM without bothering to point you to a place that can answer your 
>>question.  The installation instructions for ivtv cover how
>to extract
>>the firmware for the cards.  The reason nobody in IRC discussed it or 
>>probably answered you when you asked about it is because it's
>like step
>>one or two when you RTFM.
>>
>>I simply typed "ivtv firmware download" into my google search box in 
>>Firefox and got this on the FIRST PAGE:
>>
>>"You should download the Win32 executables/drivers you find on 
>>Hauppauge's site and extract the firmware with the ivtvfwextract.pl 
>>script from ivtv 'utils' dir. It will create two binary .bin
>(firmware)
>>files in your /lib/modules/ dir.
>>These will be loaded to the PVR 250/350 board whenever you load the 
>>drivers... Good luck!"
>>
>>
>>
>>I DID have the answer.  As do most of the people on this list. 
>> The fact
>>that you DON'T have the answer demonstrates your basic lack of 
>>knowledge about the system you're setting up.  When provided
>a link to
>>a place where you could educate yourself and LEARN you instead once 
>>again took the easy way out and demanded an answer here.
>>
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