[mythtv-users] Zap2It needs our help
kr at cybsft.com
Wed Jun 16 12:19:16 EDT 2004
Jason Keirstead wrote:
> Chris Petersen wrote:
>> Request a listing? It's not just a list of channels for a particular
>> region/provider. My listing has a bunch of channels removed (HSN, ESPN,
>> etc) that I will never watch. The only thing the request says is "hi,
>> I'm xris, give me lineup number 1".. Even if you were proxying the
>> entire request, you'd end up storing EVERYONE'S personal lineups, since
>> the specific data isn't passed back and forth.
> So you have several channels removed. Those would not be cached when you
> make your request then. When other guy uses the proxy, and he
> is in your region and using your provider, if he needs those channels
> then his lineup is downloaded. If he does not then it is not.
> The point is you can still cache, because as soon as you get one guy who
> wants *all* the channels, no one in that region / provider needs to
> fetch all that data anymore, since it is all cached locally. I know from
> previous requests what channels you want, so I only send you those.
> I don't think people are thinking through how easy it would be to store
> and correlate this data. It's not like you have to save it on a 'by
> lineup' basis. You can save it on a 'by channel by provider' basis.,
> thus if I am showing only channels 15-40 of a provider's 60 channel
> lineup, and you are showing channels 30-60, then when the third guy
> comes along requesting channels 10 - 50, it can*all* be retrieved from
> the cache.
>> Oh, and the whole point of connecting datadirect and downloading stuff
>> daily is because stuff changes on a daily basis.
> I don't see what this has to do with anything. If 300 people are using
> the proxy, it doesn't matter if they all request the data every day.
> You could have the proxy expire the data every 12 hours even and it
> would still save zap2it tons of bandwidth and requests.
>> And if you're
>> only saving it for a day, then all you've done is become a middleman for
>> the download, and wasted bandwidth by proxying something I could just as
>> easily have downloaded directly.
> Wasting whose bandwidth? *You* are using the exact same bandwidth. And
> in the absolute *worst* case ( every person on the proxy has
> different non-overlapping channel lineups ), zap2it is using the same
> bandwidth it would anyways. But in the *average* case, the proxy would
> be saving zap2it a ton of hits and bandwidth.
> I really don't get why everyone is making such a big deal about this -
> caching proxies are simple to implement. It's not rocket science.
Well if you want to talk about wasting bandwidth, let's talk about this
thread. My guess is that hell will freeze over before Zap2It allows
anyone to cache and/or redistribute their data without paying a
significant amount of money. :)
kr at cybsft.com
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