[mythtv-users] www.mythtvtalk.com <- New forum

[J. Donavan Stanley]

Coume - MythTVtalk.com wrote:

>Why did I decide to create a forum?
>My aim is not to split the source of information 
>
But thats what you're doing.

>I tried to find a dedicated mythtv forum and I did not, so after a long period
>and several thoughts after reading the previous debate about forums, I decided
>to open one knowing that I might get hammered!!!
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>
At least you had you eyes open...

>I know devs usually HATE forums and the ML fans HATE forums too, but there are
>people out there who like forum, so I strongly believe that having a forum is
>good. At least everyone can find what he likes the most!
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>
Here's the problem: The people who know the most about Myth and could 
provide useful, accurate information will not be on your forum, they'll 
be in the chat rooms and ML. So to answer many questions you'll have to 
send people to the ML or chat rooms. If they'd gone to one of those 
first they'd have gotten their answer straight from the horses mouth so 
to speak.

>- There is the Wiki: yes David, Wiki's are better anyday ;)
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The wiki was created over the objections of the devs. It's usefulness is 
questionable at the moment. It also appears to have lost momentum.

>All those are useful, and I don't see in why mythtvtalk, could be a problem?
>Yeah, the split of info... I reckon if there is 15 forums out there dedicated
>to myth that's a problem. But if Isaac with mythtv.org add a link to us to
>enable forum lovers to find us, if the other resources also do that, it will
>just avoid the “too many forums” problem.
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>
That's not going to happen, you should know that from reading his 
previous responses on the subject.

>Is the problem with mythtvtalk coming from the fact that it has not been created
>by one of the devs ? When some devs discovered the forum on the opening day,
>they just laught at it and at me btw...
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Because we devs have all repeatedly gone on the record stating out 
objections to the fragmentation caused by a forum.

>There is no members, almost no post etc... but in 2 weeks of being up, we
>already have 54 members and 294posts. Ok that's peanuts, but it proves that
>there is a *place* out there for a forum!
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There are lots of HTPC community forums out there. Heck "HTPC News" 
added a Linux section due to the popularity of Myth. That's the single 
forum I visit, and I only started visiting there to evangelize Myth.

>Ok and now I am really going to be hammered... but why do not accept
>Mythtvtalk.com as the mythtv users community forum?
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For the reasons previously stated. Nobody has told y'all that creating a 
forum is forbidden, just that it's not "sanctioned" by the devs and 
would get no support from the devs.

>If you are still reading there, thank you very much for reading this! I hope I
>managed to explain myself, etc... and that you will understand my aim in
>creating mythtvtalk.com... If you have comments, etc feel to give them, but
>please no insult ;)
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I had intended to stay silent on the topic of forums but since you asked 
I thought I'd try clear up some things for you. Don't consider anything 
I've said to be a flame or insult.

>P.S.: I might know why there is a problem with the ML. I discovered that my host
>uses spews to eliminate “possible” spam. It is a very very bad system but it's
>use by around 25% of the Internet users even if they are not aware of it. As I
>managed to register easily this new email address which do not use spew, that
>mean that the ML host must be listed in the spew DB. And consequently, 25% of
>Internet users will never ever be able to subscribe to the ML, so for those the
>forum could be useful...
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An ISP using a whitelist spam filter that doesn't reach out to legit 
mailers is stupid. If 25% of the ISPs are using it they should lose 100% 
of their customers. The number one rule for ISPs and anti-spam is to not 
lose legit messages.