[mythtv-users] Let's get our heads straight here on listings solutions

Raphael rpooser at gmail.com
Sat Jun 23 02:47:18 UTC 2007


I usually don't top post but... I think I'm important enough so I'll 
make an exception.
Well, no, seriously, I've been lurking on this thread for a while. 
Thanks for the solid entertainment guys. It was definitely worth a few 
laughs.
Raphael

Joe Borne wrote:
> I usually try not to "top post" a reply, but I'll make an exception here.
>
> David,
>
> Thank you so much for posting a thoughtful, polite and most of all
> LOGICAL response. Frankly, I was getting back pains from the logic
> contortions of Mr. Ashworth and his Star Wars obsessed associate.
>
> And yes, I am approaching this issue from an objectivist perspective.
> Anyone who wants to succeed should approach a problem in this manner.
>
> I have many, many issues with this proposal. Frankly, the risk
> analysis on it is off the charts. We need an effective, accurate and
> expedient solution. Finding a way to make this situation profitable
> for the Zap2It people, or another vendor represents our best chance at
> this. Failure is not an option.  (30 really, then 15 for a patch to be
> coded, and another 15 for deployment. Then we will have to bug fix
> while it's live - not the best situation).
>
> So at this point I'm going to discontinue this conversation. The
> MythTV project is near and dear to me and so I sought to lend my
> knowledgebase to finding solution. As always, there are stakeholders
> who take advocacy positions. Although they have the best intentions,
> their efforts do nothing but slow the progress to a real solution. In
> my opinion that is what we are seeing here.
>
> So I'm going to put my trust in the core Myth team. So far they
> haven't disappointed.
>
>
>   
>> On Friday 22 June 2007 Various MythTV Fans wrote:
>>     
>>> Recent suggestions that we begin a modern day version of a 'letter writing
>>> campaign" to all of the TV stations in the world to get listings posted for
>>> free is just patently silly. I was frankly stunned anyone took it
>>> seriously.
>>>       
>> That was my suggestion, and no offense taken. I'm trying to help brainstorm
>> some ideas for a solution at this point, and nothing is close to being set in
>> stone (Hell, it's only 2 days after the announcement :) ). The idea is naive,
>> but it would be a rather diplomatic first step in the attempt to get accurate
>> data. In my post I attempted to point out that the requests would not just
>> be "Pretty please?" and batting eyelids. We would present several of the
>> benefits to them (yes there are several benefits to them that are not obvious
>> at first - see earlier posts).
>>
>>     
>>> They have ZERO motivation to help
>>>       
>> See earlier posts again.
>>
>>     
>>> Now, the folks who are discussing ways to get large vendors such as Yahoo,
>>> Google, Amazon etc involved with the enticement of a commercial opportunity
>>> are on the right track.
>>>       
>> If neccessary, yeah, things may go this way. But judging by the outpouring of
>> concern on this list, we have a decent enough user base to have a chance.
>>
>>     
>>> The psychological fact is - every entity, whether an individual or
>>> corporation is 100% selfishly motivated.
>>>       
>> Quite true (mind if I call you Ayn? ;) ). That's why we are going to explain
>> how this will help them in the long run. We are offering to provide a service
>> that they currently pay for, but we are offering to do it for free. It will
>> require some action on their end, but we are planning on making it a painless
>> as possible.
>>
>> Someone else with experience said:
>>     
>>> Asking the TV-stations to provide data in a common format is useless.
>>> I know because I have tried.
>>>       
>> But if we can convince some of them to, it will help our work load. If they
>> don't want to, if they'll provide it consistantly in any way they can, there
>> are ways for us to parse it and pull out what we need and then reformat it.
>>
>> If we can get enough of them to give data and we show success and build a high
>> user base, the rest should follow. If they don't, we can always scrape them
>> and make the best out of it.
>>
>>     
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