[mythtv-users] tv guide line-up free
Jay R. Ashworth
jra at baylink.com
Thu Sep 6 01:17:44 UTC 2007
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 04:15:14PM -0700, Robert Current wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 06:22:20PM -0700, Robert Current wrote:
> > > The PVR market IS their business model and target market, unlike
> > > Zap2It. As far as I can tell, some of those partnerships seem to be
> > > with shareware and freeware PVR software, provided your using a
> > > partner hardware product also.
> > Their target market -- I was on their first beta team; this is first
> > hand -- is TV station websites. They get the data from the stations,
> > populate the database, and then provide the entire schedule page back
> > to the station.
> > PVR's are a secondary market, and to the extent they are one at all,
> > the money comes, almost certainly, from selling "what did people
> > schedule to record" data back to other people.
> Your entire discussion hinges on if the data can be used legally, to
> which you conclude no one is 100% sure. I'm not saying your wrong.
> Just that it seemed tangent and redirecting from the original
> question. That wasn't really ever asked, but seems to be the focus of
> everyone's reply.
Nope. *You* seem to be the only person who doesn't really care.
> There is data there. That was the question that was asked. Can it be
> used? Sure, if someone works on an application to apply it. That was
> asked too.
We know all that, yes.
> Scrapers are not the ONLY source, there is what would be called
> "Direct Data." So, data is there, and to pretend it's not is to hide
> your head in the sand. To misdirect and say it won't allow you to do
> things like schedule recurring recordings is complete lies. To
> increase the signal to noise ratio of the thread with legality when
> it's totally unclear and no one even asked in the first place is
> disruptive and unproductive.
> Legality wasn't asked. I'll still say no one has proven all data is
> illegal, at best they say it's not clear. But no one even asked that
> question. And, I'm sure everyone has heard more than enough times now
> that the legality is unclear to some of you. That isn't the topic? I
> thought this was MythTV Users list, not the "list of unclear legal
You continue to raise it, by suggesting sources for data that the rest
of us are pretty clear aren't actually usable, for copyright or TOS
> Data? Yes, multiple sources other than Schedules Direct.
> Implementations? None for Direct Data other than Schedules Direct,
> yet. To change that takes people able to point to and discuss the
> merits of each data source, and then willing to write code for use of
> that source.
> To USE the new sources, at THAT point users might want to consider
> legality of using the data... but we aren't even anywhere near that
> point or that discussion yet.
No sense wasting time coding, if using the data will piss off the
Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra at baylink.com
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