[mythtv-users] MythCloud, think bigger think outside the box

Tue Nov 24 11:27:01 UTC 2009

Robert McNamara wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Thomas Lloyd <thomaslloyd at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> @beww at beww @ sonofzev at iinet @ jarpublic at gmail
>> I have ideas that depending on your set-up, location and equipment
>> different sites can run on different profiles adding their spare
>> resources to the cloud. So you have lots of storage but not a lot of
>> bandwidth to upload you could run the profile of an archive peer. If we
>> get clever about how things work one could take one recorded file and
>> transmit that to 100's of archive server all at the same time but only
>> once. One recorded show could be processed by a hundred servers in
>> different locations then the small chunks distrusted. A little bit of
>> CPU time and a little bit of bandwidth but it cumulatively add up to
>> large amounts.
>>
> 
> By this theory, if you watched a copyrighted movie by streaming it
> from a web site, it would be 100% legal because you don't host any of
> it.  It's not.  Both you as the person downloading it (yes, streaming
> it is downloading it) and the person who uploaded it have violated
> various US statutes, as well as the Terms of Service of pretty much
> every cable provider on earth.  You *do not possess* the rights to
> distribute this material.  None of us do.
> 
>> Also the idea of storage is to have it split on the archive servers, one
>> person only ever gets 30 secs or 10% of a file which is considered fair
>> use. http://www.lib.umn.edu/copyright/fairuse.phtml#fourfacotrs
>> Obviously these chucks will exist over lots of sites but no more than
>> the legal amount per server. Like bit torrent but you only host a fair
>> amount of it. This is an idea I am not a lawyer.
>>
> 
> Fair use is *not* a set of rules for getting away with copyright
> infringement.  This discussion is *not acceptable* on this list.  You
> are not a lawyer.  I strongly suggest you seek the advice of one
> before embarking any further on this (ill advised) idea.
> 
>> Then if you want to watch it you pull it back together and hey presto if
>> that content is illegal not for your country or anything then the user
>> is breaking the law not the hosts.
> 
> There is no doubt in my mind that this violates the spirit of fair
> use, and it *definitely* violates the rules of this mailing list.
> 
> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mailing_List_etiquette#Anything_else_I_should_be_aware_of.3F
> 
> Specifically:
> 
> "#  Discussion of any topics that may be considered illegal or
> questionably legal in any of the areas that MythTV developers and/or
> users reside (especially the United States as the mailing lists are
> hosted in the United States) is prohibited.
> 
>     Do not even mention these things in passing within another discussion.
>     This is non-negotiable.
>     Making it "hypothetical" does not make it OK.
>     These rules are meant to protect the MythTV developers and the
> project itself. Even if you feel that your actions are not in
> violation of any laws, terms of service, contracts, or rules of
> ethics, please consider how an outsider who has not followed the
> thread and/or sees only parts of your post out of context and/or who
> may live in an area whose laws differ from yours may interpret your
> statements. In the past, the MythTV project has already been painted
> as just another tool used by file sharers and copyright violators in a
> New York Times article entitled, "Steal This Show".
>     Prohibited topics include (but are not limited to):
> 
>    1.  Discussion of copying and/or distributing video obtained via
> MythTV recording
>    2. Discussion of acquiring video via any means other than through
> recording with MythTV
>    3. Discussion of the use of softcam to decrypt encrypted digital broadcasts
>    4. Discussion of any means of obtaining programming illegally or
> through means which may be a violation of copyright laws or terms of
> service "
> 
> This violates *multiple* of these tenets.  Seriously.  Not okay, not
> up for discussion.  I like my house, I am a myth dev, and I am not
> interested if giving it up because someone decides to sue the project
> because it enable's someone's illegal idea, and I'm especially not
> interested in giving it up to get you more TV.
> 
>> I am not talking a group of ten servers but a group of 1000's allowing
>> for bandwidth to be cleverly used based on geographical location etc
>> etc. So if one host decides to use his server for a live video cast and
>> his bandwidth drops off from the cloud no big deal.
>>
> 
> You say "clever," I say "any judge would call it illegal," let's call
> the whole thing off.
> 
>> The file sharing becomes nothing more than a intelligent p2p system.
>> Possibility of geographical location limits to follow content law. A bit
>> like BBC iPlayer and Hulu.
>>
> 
> Except without all the licensed material.
> 
>> This is where the law gets fuzzy if your not storing the whole show,
>> take youtube for example. Or the data is not in a usable state unless
>> whole, there might be a way around it?
>>
> 
> fuzzy = illegal.
> 
> Sadly, I suspect I am about to get shouted down for this post.  THIS
> IDEA IS NOT LEGAL.  THIS IDEA IS NOT PERMITTED DISCUSSION ON THIS
> LIST.  YOU have nothing to lose from the project getting sued and/or
> the authors of the project being help liable for facilitating illegal
> activity, *I DO*.
Maybe reading this lightens things a little bit.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/04/cablevision-common-sense-win-network-dvr-appeal/
> 
> Robert
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