[mythtv-users] Basic questions of newb. ( Cablevision)

[Christopher Meredith]

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Misc Things <formisc at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Christopher Meredith <
> chmeredith at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Misc Things <formisc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Christopher Meredith <
>>> chmeredith at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Misc Things <formisc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> thank you Charles,
>>>>>  I spoke with Cablevision CUS and he informed me that by the end of
>>>>> February CV is going 100% digital and even for basic line-up we will have to
>>>>> have their boxes? (and , i have no doubts, pay for them). This whole cable
>>>>> TV  provider
>>>>> sh%% smelss like a good old mafia. I also was informed by CV's rep that
>>>>> they will encrypt the basic channels too.
>>>>> I'm not sure if this is 100$ correct though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's say that it is . In this situation what would be the best ( after
>>>>> cutting cabel off :) ) course of action:
>>>>>  I want to be able to record at least 2  channels and watch one.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You'll need one tuner for every channel you want to watch/record
>>>> simultaneously. As mentioned, you can use analog tuners to get the analog
>>>> feed from the cablebox. Another option if you want to get your network
>>>> channels in HD is to use an ATSC tuner and antenna. Depending on where you
>>>> are, this can actually give you a better signal than cable. And of course,
>>>> it's free.
>>>>
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>>> Thank you Charles.
>>> Now i assume that this setup ( ATSC tuner and antenna) will get me free
>>> channels that are known to be the "Basic" CV package (
>>> http://www.optimum.com/ratecard.jsp?searchby=corp&corp=07870&serviceType=io&z=07601&_requestid=112439)
>>> . Correct?
>>> What if i want to have more channels and no CV's box? can i get rid of
>>> the box ? if not - what do i need to enable the functionality i talked about
>>> earlier?
>>
>>
>> You can find out exactly what channels are available to you via ATSC by
>> using this tool: http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx
>>
>> Apart from that, you can plug a TV cable directly from the wall into a QAM
>> tuner and receive any channels that are "clear QAM," which means
>> unencrypted. Usually, this is only the channels you can already receive OTA,
>> usually less (unless you're very lucky). The next level is using your cable
>> box with firewire, assuming your cable company isn't using a different type
>> of encryption on those channels (most are). After that, there's nothing you
>> can do, except use an HD-PVR which captures the component HD signal from
>> your cable box.
>>
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> > The next level is using your cable box with firewire, assuming your cable
> company isn't using a different type of encryption on those channels (most
> are).
>
> Wait. Are you saying that they encrypt basic differently from "premium"
> channels?


Yes. The signal that comes into the house via cable can have QAM encryption
requiring the use of a cable box to decrypt. Then the cable box itself can
encrypt that signal over firewire using 5c encryption. There is no
Myth-compatible device capable of breaking 5c encryption. Unless you
are extremely lucky, all premium channels will be 5c encrypted.


> >.. After that, there's nothing you can do, except use an HD-PVR which
> captures the component HD signal from your cable box.
> mmm. So this unit is a replacement for the box in terms of the decryption?
> not sure i follow.
>

Rather than connecting the component cables to your  TV from the cable box,
you would connect them to the HD-PVR from the cable box. This is an analog
HD signal, so it can't be encrypted. The HD-PVR can record anything your
cable box can play over component (so pretty much everything). After my
cable company turned on 5c, I got an HD-PVR and have been happy ever since.
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