[mythtv-users] UK DVB-S Channel Numbering

Mon Apr 9 19:23:56 UTC 2012

Nick,

Thats excellent news!

I'm nore than happy to test when its released.  Will it support EIT fr
those channels that do not have XMLTV data?

Chris

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Nick Morrott <knowledgejunkie at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 9 April 2012 17:30, Richard Morton <richard.e.morton at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 9 April 2012 16:57, Chris Lewis <chrislewis915 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> After another channel scan of 28.2E after the latest shuffle of
> channels i
> >> find myself again in the position where i have multiple copies of some
> >> channels (some don't seem to work, some are regional etc) and I have
> spenyy
> >> hours yet again getting the channel numbers correct.
> >>
> >> What do other UK users out there do?  It would seem to me some king of
> sql
> >> script to update the channel name and number (including call sign and
> >> XMLTVID where required) is the best way to go.
> >>
> >> Now I've seen http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/UK_Channel_Assignments and the
> >> scripts there but they dont cover the entire range of FTA channels from
> what
> >> i can see.  What i was thinking is that after a full scan a script could
> >> scrape the required SID and channel data from lyngsat or somewhere and
> >> produce an update script that would rename and number the channels
> based on
> >> this. I'm not suggesting this be implemented in Myth but a script n the
> wiki
> >> would be great.
> >>
> >> I e-mailed the lyngsat webmaster address a while ago but never got a
> >> reply.
> >>
> >> I would consider trying to do this properly myself but my skills a just
> >> not up to it.  I'd obviously be prepared to test any script and would
> shout
> >> at all if it trashed my channel listings as its basically trashed
> already
> >> IMO.
> >>
> >> So, what do other UK DVB-S/S2 users use?  As currently my recording
> >> schedules are not working correctly.  For instance if i set
> 'Eastenders' to
> >> be recorded at any time on any channel for SWMBO then it tries to
> record one
> >> copy of each of the BBC one channels despite the name and subtext
> looking
> >> identical to me.
> >
> > I believe that this sort of things has been considered before however
> there
> > are no simple solutions.
> >
> > You need to tie the radio times feed to the lyngsat/kingofsat
> information.
> > neither provide an easily parse-able feed of information and I havent
> looked
> > but I guess that it wouldnt be within the terms of service. You would
> have
> > to strip the information out of the HTML on the website (scraping) which
> is
> > probably not with the TOS as mentioned and each time they changed their
> site
> > slightly the code would need tweaking.
> >
> > after that include all the regional variations, numbering, especially in
> > combination with requirements with selective channel inclusion, Freeview,
> > Sky and Virgin Media and you get an endless number of variations...
> >
> > Feel free to roll up your sleeves; but this is not as easy as it sounds.
>
> I've been working on a solution for this for a while and am almost
> ready to push the code/lineups to XMLTV CVS for testing. I will also
> make available a third-party tool for MythTV to handle
> updating/maintaining video sources and channel configuration for this
> exact situation. Enthusiastic testers will be required in due course
> to both test the grabber and the MythTV update tool.
>
> In testing I have lineups (this is what the working title of this new
> feature/capability in XMLTV is called) for the following UK/Irish TV
> platforms:
>
> freesat
> freesatfromsky
> freesathd
> freeview
> freeviewhd
> saorview
> sky
> skyhd
> upcireland
> upcirelandhd
> virgin
> virginhd
>
>
> These lineups capture the EPG numbering, XMLTV IDs (where available)
> and DVB onid/sid information (for digital lineups) for each platform
> and should ensure that it is a straightforward process to reconfigure
> a video source after a rescan. It also means that configuring a video
> source for an STB-based input (like Sky or Virgin) using XMLTV will
> take a couple of seconds to create from scratch.
>
> Note that for DVB-T (Freeview), I only have access to the Sutton
> Coldfield transmitter so would welcome volunteers to provide me with
> up-to-date channels.conf output from (dvb)scan for other areas of the
> country. This should allow for the matching of regionalised channels
> such as BBC1/2 and ITV1 and S4C by onid/sid rather than just the
> transmitted DVB name (which can be used as a fallback). If anyone
> knows of a resource that lists all regional sids around the country
> for Freeview, please let me know. Freesat does not suffer from the
> same problem as everyone receives all regional channels.
>
> Because these lineups will be used internally by the tv_grab_uk_rt
> grabber I will want to keep them in sync with what's available on each
> service's EPG. This should mean that once configured to use a lineup*,
> the uk_rt grabber will always provide data for channels available on
> the platform, rather than just the list of channels configured
> initially. This will also mean that a user does not need to keep
> adding/removing channels from their XMLTV configuration whenever a new
> channel launches or an old one is turned off. Lineups do not include
> full tuning information, so an app using the information (such as
> MythTV) will need to (re-)scan digital channels before the lineups can
> be applied. Additionally, whilst these lineups will be used by the
> uk_rt grabber, they could equally be used by third-party tools.
>
> I also have support to allow a user to select which subscription
> packages/channels are received in addition to FTA/FTV channels on
> platforms such as Virgin and Sky. During configuration the grabber
> also asks for country/postcode location info to determine which
> regional channels to include. The end result of this process is a
> filtered list of channels that can either be used by the grabber for
> listings retrieval or output as a region-specific XML lineup (a subset
> of the complete "master" lineup) for use outside the grabber.
>
> (*) the option to manually configure channels will still be there
>
>
> Cheers,
> Nick
>
> --
> Nick Morrott
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