[mythtv-users] record at any time on channel <CHANNEL> is missing in master soon to be .27

Wed Jul 24 18:10:26 UTC 2013

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Jay Foster <jayfoster at roadrunner.com>wrote:

> On 7/24/2013 10:02 AM, thomas at mashos.com wrote:
>
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:45:37 -0700
>> From: Thomas Mashos<thomas at mashos.com>
>> To:stephen at jsw.gen.nz, Discussion about MythTV
>>         <mythtv-users at mythtv.org>
>> Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] record at any time on channel<CHANNEL>  is
>>         missing in master soon to be .27
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>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Stephen Worthington<
>> stephen_agent at jsw.gen.nz>  wrote:
>>
>>  >  On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 10:38:33 -0400, you wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>>> >  >On 07/24/2013 10:27 AM, jrh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >  >>  I am using mythfrontend, with the Mythcenter-wide v 1.7 theme.
>>>>> >  >>
>>>>> >  >>  Will the 'this channel' be default to 'ON'? Or have an option
>>>>> to set it
>>>>>
>>>> >  to default to ON? It is in the advanced settings for a recording
>>> which is
>>> >  normally hidden.
>>>
>>>> >  >
>>>> >  >You can create recording rule templates to apply whatever recording
>>>> rule
>>>> >  >options you like.  So, you could make one for each of the "this
>>>> channel"
>>>> >  >channels you use.
>>>> >  >
>>>> >  >The reason for the split to advanced settings is because we wanted
>>>> to
>>>> >  >make it easy for most people to create the vast majority of needed
>>>> >  >recording rules--i.e. creating "anytime/any channel" rules.  Those
>>>> >  >"extra" settings people can use
>>>> >  >
>>>> >  >Note, also, there's seldom reason for a "this channel" rule.  There
>>>> are
>>>> >  >typically much better options available.  For example, for the
>>>> scenario
>>>> >  >you describe:
>>>> >  >
>>>>
>>>>> >  >>  For example for a given show, i use it on for a show that is
>>>>> broadcast
>>>>>
>>>> >  weekly, and I want to keep all of them. However, for that same show
>>> that is
>>> >  in 'syndication' on a different channel I want to restrict the number
>>> of
>>> >  episodes to a dozen or so as it is played constantly.
>>>
>>>> >  >
>>>> >  >a better approach would be to use the "new episodes" filter for the
>>>> new
>>>> >  >episodes.  Note, also, that the fact that there are almost always
>>>> better
>>>> >  >approaches available than "this channel" rules is the reason "this
>>>> >  >channel" rules were removed (and the "this channel" filter was
>>>> >  >added)--it is meant to indicate that "this channel" should not be a
>>>> >  >first-level criteria when deciding how to schedule shows.  Instead,
>>>> you
>>>> >  >should look at other options, first, and leave "this channel"
>>>> filter as
>>>> >  >a less-preferred tool in the arsenal.
>>>> >  >
>>>> >  >In general, use of "this channel" rules seems to have been mostly
>>>> due to
>>>> >  >users failing to understand other (better) options available for
>>>>
>>> >  scheduling.
>>>
>>>> >  >
>>>> >  >Mike
>>>>
>>> >
>>> >  I think you may be fooling yourselves that better options exist than
>>> >  "this channel" rules.  If you have good EPG like that apparently
>>> >  available from Schedules Direct, then those other options appear to
>>> >  exist.  But in New Zealand, our EPG is variable from just OK to bad -
>>> >  there are no proper "new episode" flags (or HD flags), and the EPG
>>> >  from one channel or provider to another is done differently.  So
>>> >  without the option to say "this channel", just as one example, I would
>>> >  wind up recording things from the Sky NZ channels that are repeats
>>> >  from years ago of programs that have new series on the Freeview FTA
>>> >  channels.  Now I can handle that, being a fairly sophisticated user of
>>> >  MythTV - I would be able to use the new filter option.  But I will
>>> >  almost certainly find it very annoying to have to use so many extra
>>> >  keystrokes to do something that used to be easy, as I have to use
>>> >  "this channel" on almost all series recording rules.
>>> >
>>> >  It sounds like I need to get a test setup of 0.27 running on one of my
>>> >  systems and try it out to see just how it actually will or will not
>>> >  work with our crappy EPG.
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>> While I agree that having crappy EPG data sucks, I must confess that it
>>
>> annoys me when people deem workarounds an acceptable solution instead of
>> fighting to fix the problem. If your EPG data is crappy, you need to
>> complain to your provider (or wherever the EPG data comes from for that
>> particular channel in your particular locality). The "this channel" flag
>> is
>> a workaround for that particular problem (bad guide data). I can't think
>> of
>> a valid reason to use it under normal circumstances.
>>
>> IIRC, moving the "this channel" from it's own recording rule to a flag was
>> done to simplify the recording rule section. I welcome simplifying these
>> sections, as many areas of MythTV are too complicated for new users.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Thomas Mashos
>>
> I use the record on this channel option all of the time.  I receive
> multiple channels with the same programming, and, depending on the program,
> prefer one channel over another.  The this channel option is the only way
> to specify on which channel I want to record a particular program.  Please
> do not get rid of the 'on this channel' option.
>
> Jay
>
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Nobody is getting rid of that option, it just got moved to an advanced
option. Now we don't need to have duplicate scheduling options just so we
can set "this channel" on a rule.

Also, channel priorities.

Thanks,

Thomas Mashos
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