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Revision as of 11:46, 3 November 2007

Information.png Tip: Please HELP, and add your knowledge and experience to this page. We need your input.


Introduction

In the Netherlands there is currently one system left for analog broadcast receiving. This is by means of using the cable, which is provided by the cable provider in the region where one is living.The old fashioned analog antenna system is no longer available, so far antenna reception only a digital solution can be used. Satellite is also available in the Netherlands.

mythtv.nl is a Dutch forum for NL users. Please consolidate NL specific info on this official wikipage !!


Your options
Analogue Every region in the Netherlands has its own (one-and-only) cable provider. There is no choice whatsoever, so one is stuck with the provider active in your living place. If you don't like that one, the only other options are Satellite and Terrestrial (antenna). Advantages of the analogue cabling systems are the flexibility (use splitters for TV 2,3,...) and the ease-of-use. There is no encryption available in analogue TV systems. Thus, any computer TV card which has a cable connection will work.

To find out which provider is responsible for your living place visit www.kabelbedrijf.nl. This is the starting point for all Dutch cable TV providers.

Digital The Digital Video Broadcasting Project (DVB) is an industry-led consortium of over 260 broadcasters. The digital TV market is growing fast the Netherlands. Digital TV standards can be divided in 3 types:
DVB-C - Cable
DVB-S - Satellite Canal Digitaal
DVB-T - Terrestrial KPN Digitenne

For a more detailed explanation about DVB see What is DVB? on this wiki.

For a list of DVB providers in the Netherlands see: www.televisiedigitaal.nl

IPTV There are various IPTV providers in the Netherlands. The 2 most notable providers of IPTV are KPN with there "Interactive TV van KPN" product and Tele2 with Tele2Vision. Than there are IPTV initatives from the various service providers that use the network of reggefiber like Kadaka.



UPC

File:Upc.pngThrough its UPC Broadband division, Liberty Global is active in 11 countries in Europe. UPC Broadband provides video, high-speed Internet access and telephony services over its networks and operates cable networks in The Netherlands.

Analogue

Links:

Webpage.png - Channels and frequencies

Webpage.png - ZenderOverzichtConfiguratieAanmaker (Can generate XML file or mySQL file)

Digital

UPC has multiple version of their so-called 'mediabox'. The most common version is the one with standard (SCART) video output, as any regular television set can handle. This box in fact is a relabled device from the Thomson brand.

Currently UPC has a test roll-out of a newer mediabox, which has a HDMI output instead of SCART. This box is a relabled Philips brand.

The UPC mediabox DOES NOT use a smart-card (for all known versions). During installation the box is registered at the UPC servers. More info about UPC digital can be found on http://www.digitalekabeltelevisie.nl/waar/upc.shtml


Encryption

UPC uses Nagravision 2 encryption in combination with their own proprietary checksum based on serial number box (mac address), number smartcard. This additional 'security' layer is also probably the reason why you can have only one box per household. The box also seem to have an integrated cable modem. So on IP level there is something like a handshake. In the past the base package was send Free to Air (FTA) and could be picked up with any standard DVB-C card (without encryption)


So far I do not have any experience with working PCI DVB-C cards, but during my research for information I found the following link: http://www.linuxtv.org/vdrwiki/index.php/Conditional_Access_Module which states the 'MagicModule' CAM module should be able to handle nagravision encryption. Maybe this CAM module in combination with a PCI DVB-C card can provide a successful setup??? --Michel 21:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


Additional information (Dutch sites)

Webpage.png - UPC MediaBox eersteklas standby-verspiller

Webpage.png - Alles wat UPC U niet vertelt over UPC digital!

Webpage.png - Digitale kabel TV op de PC

Webpage.png - Verwarring rond DVB en UPC

Webpage.png - Radar: Digitale kabel televisie en Common Access Modules {{{2}}}

Mediaportal

In 2006 some guys has it working with mediaportal and the free to air (FTA) base package. http://www.sat4all.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1139779&page=0&fpart=all&vc=1


User experience

Moosylog :Jan 2007: I'm on an analogue UPC signal and started this page to collect more info on the possibilities of UPC and DVB and the different XMLTV grabbers. I use tv_grab_nl_py with tv_imdb to add imdb ranking to the data.

Michel :April 2007: I am stuck with cable provider UPC. This cable provider tries everything possible so only their UPC box will work for digital television. So even with DVB-C TV capture cards in the market it is not possible to have digital TV in my MythTV box. Therefor, I have decided to keep my analogue TV-cards for the next upcoming years, until the situation has changed.

Michel :May 2007: So far I do not have any experience with working PCI DVB-C cards, but during my research for information I found the following link: http://www.linuxtv.org/vdrwiki/index.php/Conditional_Access_Module which states the 'MagicModule' CAM module should be able to handle nagravision encryption. Maybe this CAM module in combination with a PCI DVB-C card can provide a successful setup???



CASEMA

File:Casema.png Did you know that Casema has about 12,500 miles of cable in the ground? And that these cables are used to provide over 1.4 million households with radio, (digital) TV, internet and telephony? Thanks to our modern cable system, we have become a leading supplier of network services and entertainment.

File:Irdeto.gif Casema uses Irdeto2 encryption. Any computer DVB-C card which has an Irdeto 2 compatible decoder may work.

List-add.png Zenderoverzicht (Channels and frequencies)

List-add.png List of the new Casema channels for importing into Mythtv http://marcel.verpaalen.com/mythtv.html

User experience

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Multikabel

Analog

Frequentieoverzicht analoge radio & TV

Digital

File:Irdeto.gif Multikabel uses irdeto2, so any DVB-C card with CI slot and an AlphaCrypt may work.

User experience

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AtHome (fka Essent)

File:Logo athome.gif Groningen, Drenthe, Friesland Overijssel, Limburg en Brabant

Analog
Frequencies

@Home TV Basis frequency overview will provide the frequencies of both TV and radio channels for the default analogue channels based on the place of residence.

For Groningen City, get your SQL frequencies here.

Digital

File:Irdeto.gif AtHome uses Irdeto2 encryption. Any computer DVB-C card which has an Irdeto 2 compatible decoder may work.

User experience

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CAIw

CAIW is pronounced as CAIway, and can be found on the internet: www.caiw.nl.

Analogue

Links:

Digital

This provider uses a Samsung box but DOES NOT use a smartcard. The box can be operated without a smartcard, but provides additional channels if a smartcard is inserted.

File:Irdeto.gif CAIw uses Irdeto2 encryption, which is handled by the Samsung box. Any computer DVB-C card which has an Irdeto 2 compatible decoder may work. MythTV works flawlessly with the Cinergy 1200 DVB-C.

Links:

User experience

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KPN

TV stations on the KPN Digitenne network are in DVB-T (multiple TV programs per multiplex, all FTA public channels on one multiplex)

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Record_multiple_channels_from_one_multiplex#Netherlands

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User experience

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TELE2 (Versatel)

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User experience

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XMLTV Grabbers

tv_grab_nl_py

Package.png tv_grab_nl_py is a XMLTV compatibele grabber, written in Python that captures TV-guide info from tvgids.nl, including all channel icons.

~/.xmltv/tv_grab_nl_py.conf can be edited to delete some of the channels that you don't need.

Detailed instructions on howto install the tvgids grabber can be found here

  • Cache detail information: YES
  • Automatic add channel logos: YES
  • Configurable total days: YES
  • MythTV category color support: YES
  • IMDB support : NO, need to configure tv_imdb to add imdb ranking


Here is my script I use in combination with the grabber to add IMDB info to the Dutch xmltv data.
Before you can use this you need to create a local imdb database. Be aware that this takes quite some time and uses disk space. To create your local imdb database use the following command:

tv_imdb --imdbdir <dir> --prepStage all --download


Script.png myth_epg_nl.sh
# !/bin/bash
# myth_epg_nl.sh
# by Moosy

# *************************************************************************************
# *   C H A N G E   T H E S E   F O R   Y O U R   M A C H I N E                       *
# *************************************************************************************
# *   grabber_dir = The directory where tv_grab_nl_py is located                      *
# *   temp_dir    = Temp directory                                                    *
# *   imdb_dir    = Directory where the IMDB database is stored                       *
# *************************************************************************************
grabber_dir="/home/mythtv/.mythtv"
temp_dir="/data/temp"
imdb_dir="/data/imdb"


# *************************************************************************************
# *   UPDATE TV_GRAB_NL_PY                                                            *
# *************************************************************************************
#
cp $grabber_dir/tv_grab_nl_py $grabber_dir/tv_grab_nl_py.old
cd $grabber_dir
rm ./tv_grab_nl_py
wget http://visualization.tudelft.nl/~paul/grabber/download/tv_grab_nl_py
chmod +x $grabber_dir/tv_grab_nl_py




# *************************************************************************************
# *   GET THE INITIAL EPG INFO INTO A FILE                                            *
# *************************************************************************************
#
$grabber_dir/tv_grab_nl_py --output $temp_dir/epg.xml --days 14



# *************************************************************************************
# *   ADD THE IMDB RANKING TO THE EPG AND FILL THE MYTHTV DATABASE                    *
# *                                                                                   *
# *   sample to create the imdb database:                                             *
# *   tv_imdb --imdbdir /data/imdb/ --prepStage all --download --movies-only  --stats *
# *                                                                                   *
# *************************************************************************************
#
tv_imdb --imdbdir $imdb_dir --stats --quiet --output $temp_dir/epg_imdb.xml $temp_dir/epg.xml
mythfilldatabase --file 1 -1 $temp_dir/epg_imdb.xml


# *************************************************************************************
# *   FIX THE MOVIE CATEGORY                                                          *
# *   and make sure only Movies are flagged as Movie                                  *
# *************************************************************************************
#

mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -e "UPDATE program SET category_type = '' WHERE category = 'Movie' ;"

mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -e "UPDATE program SET category_type = 'movie' WHERE category_type != 'movie'
AND (UNIX_TIMESTAMP(endtime) - UNIX_TIMESTAMP(starttime)) >= 5400
AND (category = 'Action' OR category = 'Adventure' OR
category = 'Movies' OR category = 'Movie' OR category = 'Film' OR category = 'Films' ) ;"


# * These are not Movies and should not be in the Movie list - so let's delete them from the movie list
mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -e "UPDATE program SET category_type = '' WHERE title = 'Moviefacts' ;"
mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -e "UPDATE program SET category_type = '' WHERE title = 'Making the movie' ;"
mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -e "UPDATE program SET category_type = '' WHERE title = 'DVD Today' ;"
mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -e "UPDATE program SET category_type = '' WHERE title = 'DVD today' ;"
mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -e "UPDATE program SET category_type = '' WHERE title = 'RTL Film' ;"



tv_grab_nl_upc

Package.png tv_grab_nl_upc is an XMLTV-compatible grabber, written in Ruby. It captures TV-guide info from chello.nl, including links to channel icons.

UPC's programme data contains more thorough programme descriptions than those available at tvgids.nl. Additionally, many of UPC's digital cable channels, such as BBC3, BBC4 and the Travel Channel are not supported by tvgids.nl, which means that other grabbers cannot be used for these channels.

Another advantage of this grabber is that it runs much more quickly than the other Dutch grabbers, because of the more efficient page structure of UPC's programme data. A single page fetch obtains an entire day's programming for one channel, whereas other programs require one page fetch per programme.

In threaded mode, the program fetches data for all channels in parallel, allowing up to 10,000 programmes to be fetched in just 60 seconds.

~/.xmltv/tv_grab_nl_upc.conf can be edited to delete any channels that you don't need.

Detailed instructions on how to install and configure the grabber are available.

  • Cache detail information: NO (UPC's data is structured such that one page fetch retrieves a single channel's entire programming for one day, including all relevant programme details. Individual programmes do not require a separate page fetch, so caching is of negligible utility.)
  • Automatically add channel logos: YES
  • Configurable total days: YES
  • MythTV category colour support: YES
  • IMDB support: YES, either static or dynamic, including caching
  • Threaded: YES
  • Programme data for all UPC channels: YES

tv_grab_nl_gert

Package.png tv_grab_nl_gert This seems to be an alternative for tv_grab_nl_py but the info this page seems pretty old. never tried this myself

kwik: I do use this grabber and it is very good! It provides detailed information, including genre info. Furthermore it is well maintained. Here's some important info from the site: Because the standard tv_grab_nl script can be quite a strain on the www.tvgids.nl website and takes about an hour to get 1 day of detailed information. I wrote a script to get that info once a night, and make the resulting xml available.

  • Cache detail information: YES
  • Automatic add channel logos: NO
  • Configurable total days: NO
  • MythTV category color support: YES
  • IMDB support : NO

tv_grab_nl_wolf

Package.png tv_grab_nl_wolf It provides genre information, although not for every channel. Like the tv_grab_nl_gert script, it downloads xml information that was grabbed before. The xml is generated by wolf and all the script has to do is download it. This greatly recudes strain on www.tvgids.nl. In general it provides less program info than tv_grab_nl_gert.

  • Cache detail information: NO
  • Automatic add channel logos: NO
  • Configurable total days: UNKNOWN
  • MythTV category color support: LIMITED
  • IMDB support : UNKNOWN

tv_grab_nl_C

Package.png New C based grabber (beta) - for more details click here

  • Cache detail information: UNKNOWN
  • Automatic add channel logos: UNKNOWN
  • Configurable total days: UNKNOWN
  • MythTV category color support: UNKNOWN
  • IMDB support : UNKNOWN

XMLTV server side dutch tvlistings grabber

Package.png - available here

  • Cache detail information: UNKNOWN
  • Automatic add channel logos: UNKNOWN
  • Configurable total days: UNKNOWN
  • MythTV category color support: UNKNOWN
  • IMDB support : UNKNOWN
Note

There are some legal restrictions around this procure that you should be aware of.

Channel logos

The electronic program guide (EPG), allows you to see what is currently being shown on the channels you receive. The source of the EPG is country specific. File:Netherlands.pngLogos are provided as square images, which makes them suitable for use with MythTV. To use these logos, download the logos to your mythtv backend box (in a seperate directory of course!), start mythtv-setup and go to the channel editor. Fill in the filenames for the channels you have a logo for.

There is another page on this Wiki which handles channel logos: Channel icons.

On the following pages you find logos for Dutch television:

Fambus logos

TU Delft Paul

Lyngsat Logo - Netherlands (Television)

Lyngsat Logo - Netherlands (Radio)

External Links for Dutch Users