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:::I've been informed that this requires modifying PHP code to implement.  Do you have a shadow install on your machine?  Is it the same release Isaac has in here?<br>--[[User:Baylink|Baylink]] 15:49, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:::I've been informed that this requires modifying PHP code to implement.  Do you have a shadow install on your machine?  Is it the same release Isaac has in here?<br>--[[User:Baylink|Baylink]] 15:49, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
::: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_add_a_web_search_box_to_the_navigation_bar Look here].<br>--[[User:Baylink|Baylink]] 00:25, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
::: [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_add_a_web_search_box_to_the_navigation_bar Look here].<br>--[[User:Baylink|Baylink]] 00:25, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
:::: Yep, I know it's possible, and I know how to do it. I am just waiting on the files from Isaac. (I suppose I _can_ make an install on my server, but if there are any customizations Isaac's made, they'll be lost.) I'll email Isaac again to remind him ;-)<br>--[[User:TylerDrake|TylerDrake]] 00:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
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Main page protected

The Main Page is protected here, as it is on many wikis. We do that for the same reason most sites do: that's the lightning rod; it's the single page that gets the most hits. If there's something you think we ought to have on the Main Page, use the "+" link up there to add a note and tell us about it, and we'll put it on, or tell you where we think it belongs instead.
--Baylink 23:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Release Update Procedure

The release links on the Main Page should be updated as soon as possible after a new version is officially released; see the policy statement at Talk:Release Notes.
--Baylink 20:59, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

News section

I'm wondering if we should have a separate news page to keep the main page from extensive scrolling down. It feels a little distracting to me the way it is and it could use some better "story" seperation. Maybe not to the extent that mythtv.org does, but it feels cluttered now...

I believe we should have a seperate news page, with perhaps the latest news on the main page that then links to the full news page. If possible...--Steveadeff 19:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I've moved the News section to a template, and I'll be pruning it here shortly. I'm looking into modifying the MediaWiki DynamicPageList2 extension to allow for better implementations of this and other blogging-ish features. If that works out the way I'd like, we'll be able to move news *above* the category table, since we'll be able to say "only display the headline and first sentence of the first 4 news items", or things akin to that.
--20:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe we should just consider installing moveable type or another blog engine on mythtv.org (or just use blogger) and blog the news items. Then we can use the RSS extensions to MediaWiki to display the RSS headlines -Kkuphal 02:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
On my own wiki site, I installed magpie and the RSS patch to scoop up news site RSS feeds. It seems pretty good, except that I ran into caching problems. Something to watch out for. It would cache up the RSS info, and then three days later, it had the same thing. Couldn't determine whether that server or client side caching. --Gregturn 04:38, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Mailinglist Search

I'm thinking we may want to add another search area under the wiki search to allow users to quickly search the mailinglist archives.?--Steveadeff 19:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

That wouldn't suck. Tyler; you know how to do that?
--Baylink 20:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
I'll look into it. It's not in the sidebar config, so it might be in another place. Sorry I've not been around -- we just finished finals on Friday. And, yes, that's strange -- they changed the calendar for this year, so we don't finish 1st semester until _after_ Christmas/holiday vacation. I hate it. </ot> Anyway, I know it's possible, because I've seen another MW-powered wiki (I don't remember what wiki) with another search box below the MW-search box. --TylerDrake 04:21, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I've been informed that this requires modifying PHP code to implement. Do you have a shadow install on your machine? Is it the same release Isaac has in here?
--Baylink 15:49, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Look here.
--Baylink 00:25, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Yep, I know it's possible, and I know how to do it. I am just waiting on the files from Isaac. (I suppose I _can_ make an install on my server, but if there are any customizations Isaac's made, they'll be lost.) I'll email Isaac again to remind him ;-)
--TylerDrake 00:06, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


I notice that the images next to links (like Hardware, FAQ etc) are protected. Could anyone with admin rights redirect them to the proper pages? --Thorpe 16:10, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm looking into this; it appears to be non-trivial.
--Baylink 16:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I protected them. Images in MediaWiki link to the image themselves. If we store the images outside of the system, like on the mythtv.org filesystem, we can link them to the same page they represent. I locked them because users were clicking on them, thinking the were the link to the section and then editing the text of the image page with content destined for the sction.
--Kevin Kuphal 23:21, 23 January 2006
It was pointed out to me that you can make the image description page a redirect to the target; apparently the parser copes with that ok.
--Baylink 02:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I fixed this using the Click template from wikipedia
--Kevin Kuphal
Nice find, dude. I think the #mediawiki guys even forgot that existed...
--Baylink 20:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
We need to new images on main page to also have the Click template applied. --Gregturn 04:55, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Linking to Wikipedia

Nice site, it could be even nicer if we could link to Wikipedia using a syntax like this : wp:Word to link for instance. Mediawiki allows this, it just needs to be configured. This feature can be very useful to link to common definition, concepts, protocols and so on, no need to redefine evrything. For instance, no need to redfine DVR as the WP defition is already good, just link to the Wikipedia definition. This will also create a synergy between the tow sites.

Indeed. I had thought that newer versions of MW didn't come with the interwiki table loaded, but it appears I might have been wrong. Don't forget to sign your comments, folks.
--Baylink 16:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
The mechanism is [[Wikipedia:the article you are linking to]]. It works. :) --Gregturn 21:44, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
However, a good interwiki to add on would be svn. --Gregturn 22:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
What exactly do you mean by an svn interwiki? Do you mean to the Trac wiki? Or did you mean something else? --TylerDrake 04:23, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I was referring to linking to svn.mythtv.org/trac. I was suggesting we create an interwiki link named "svn", since it is hosting the subversion stuff. The name is debatable (calling it either svn or trac), but I assume many people would agree this is something good to link to. Maybe we need a vote, or perhaps Isaac's call on how he wants us to interwiki to tickets and so forth. --Gregturn 22:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
If I can figure out how one does it, we might make TRAC a magic word, like what happens when I say RFC 2100, with absolutely no markup at all.
--Baylink 02:19, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
That is freakin' cool. Now I'm off to the MW site to figure out how that's done. Maybe SVN <edit>9000</edit> will link to the revision # 9000, and TRAC 1000 can link to ticket #1000? Or maybe a different word for the trac ticket system (TICKET or something?) Suggestions? (Well, I guess we need to figure out how to do that first... --TylerDrake 23:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I believe brion said "grep Parser.php for ISBN".
--03:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll ask Isaac for that file too =) --TylerDrake 03:39, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Table of Contents

Is there a way to force the TOC to be generated? I can't figure out what the magic combination is for it to appear automaticalls...--Steveadeff 19:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

A TOC will be generated automagically on any non-talk page with at least 3 subject headers, unless you include the token on the page. All pages should have at least one lede (lead) paragraph above their first section header, for style's sake.
--Baylink 21:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
You can put __TOC__ on any page to force a table of contents. See Sections in the MediaWiki documentation for more details
--Kevin Kuphal 23:23, 23 January 2006
I found out, while re-reading the edit help last night, that __TOC__ only *positions* the TOC. If you want to force one even if it wouldn't normally exist, you need to use __FORCETOC__. I rather suspect that's only really useful (except in 2 section pages) if you are putting it in a template to override a __NOTOC__ already on a page.
--Baylink 15:51, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Main Page picture wanted

Does anyone have a really spiffy looking table-top setup with their machine (in a cool black stereo-looking case, preferably) right next to the TV... and a decent digital camera? They call this *Media*wiki for a reason; I'd like to lead with a nice big picture (or maybe an animated GIF, walking through the menus).
--Baylink 02:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Not sure if this is spiffy enough... https://startrek/mediawiki/index.php/Image:Tv_armoire.jpg. If you like it, you are free to distribute it. --Gregturn 05:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I might like it, if I could see' it. Check that URL again?  :-)
--Baylink 20:41, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
'startrek' must be its' _real_ hostname (on his network), because his security certificate is given to a machine named 'startrek'. Here's the URL that we can access it from... https://scifi.homelinux.net/mediawiki/index.php/Image:Tv_armoire.jpg =) --TylerDrake 23:28, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Yup, I'm an idiot. :P Thanks for catching that. --Gregturn 23:38, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
We all make mistakes :-p --TylerDrake 03:40, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Greg, your CIMG4011 is the picture I'm looking for. Long-term, I'd like to put a, oh, say 240 pixel high animated gif that rotates between something like that, an internals shot, and several menu and EPG grabs. I might get to doing that myself, but not until later in the week.
--Baylink 16:50, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Uhh, what is my CIMG4011? Is it something you spotted on my website? Anyway, I do have a digital camera, and my MythTV box is used in "production" mode. Tell you what, I will take a batch of pictures for different things (DONE: MythTV photos 19:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)), stage them on my web site. Then, you can pick and choose what parts you want, and migrate them here. (I don't want to clutter this site with experimental photos, until we get what we like). --Gregturn 18:36, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd been google imaging for MythTV, and there was a picture on your site with that file name that I liked. At least, I thought it was your site. Does your camera name files that way? It was a snazzy plasma on wall, with some speakers, with Myth on the display</a>--Baylink 04:18, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I think I just found that image. Whoah! Not mine. :) I posted some more photos of my stuff. Not quite slick silver. My camera does name stuff like that, but my own web site is also mediawiki, so I upload everything into useful names. See MythTV photos --Gregturn 04:22, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I have a Sony U71P that I use as a frontend only has 800x600 res. http://www.ultranote.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=137&Itemid=153. --paul 14:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
That's too cool for school, and I'd love to use a picture of it somewhere, but it's not quite what I'm looking for for the front page. Think WAF. (How much did it *cost*, btw?) :-)
--Baylink 20:43, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Tips and Tricks section

It would be nice to be have a tips and tricks section in the main categories. This could have articles like installing different themes etc. --paul 10:46, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Isn't this pretty much what the HOWTO section is? -- Kevin Kuphal
I had in mind more along the lines of very short user based tips. For example I only found out recently there is a key to remove any osd material from the screen, you dont need to use Escape (in default) to get rid of it. Also changing themes etc. Basically a lot more user based and short guides. Compared to the often more substantial and definitely install/hardware topics that are in the how to section --paul 10:46, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


What is it? Featured articles? MythTV features? There probably should be a better way to display this, perhaps in a sidebox in a different color background and slight border? --KevinK

I'm not sure what it is, yet, actually.  :-) I left it unboxed because I was getting a little concerned about the boxology on the front page as it was. Sort of a Spotlight place for things which are really hopping, or well done, or some combination, I guess.
--Baylink 17:06, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe do like wikipedia does with a right-hand sidebar box for Featured articles? The frontpage is getting crowded (see below)
Yeah. Or, we could go whole hog, and box the entire front page, like thinkwiki.net does. I've stolen that for tbkinfo.net (which may or may not be entirely installed if you go look), and for that it's gonna work out ok, I think.
--Baylink 00:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Frontpage image

I have some misgivings about the major content of the site being "below the fold" with the 0.19 release box, the large image, and Features all pushing the major navigation down. I think we should work to have the most often used aspects of the page at the top -- Kevin Kuphal

I concur, but remember that "below the fold" depends a *lot* on your window and font sizes. I sure like what you came up with to fix it, though. I do think that for what we're doing, having a fairly sizeable version of that image (and as noted, I hope to animate it soon) is called for, though. Even with 45K hits on the front page in 3 weeks, I'd guess not *all* our visitors are already running MythBoxen.
--Baylink 00:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Wow, I _love_ the new layout of the Main Page! Looks very professional =) (BTW, what theme is that used in the EPG?) --TylerDrake 02:02, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks guys. I still want to do something different with the Featured Articles but I haven't come up with the right thing yet. I think the special pages should be moved to the toolbox on the right as they probably belong there anyways -Kkuphal 02:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, my plan was sort of to rotate the system pages around so people get to see all the important ones. It was only after I first set it up that I decided to split the system pages from the user created ones.
--Baylink 03:01, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I'll work then on some kind of better display (like a colored box or something) and that should move up the categories even higher. Should have something tonight. --Kkuphal 03:05, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the top box, I like the boxes having borders to give them more sepration. Any suggestions for the top box? --Kkuphal 04:48, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Well; y'could, but I think it's dark enough to hold its own without. I was going to say I liked the category box, but I went back and forth a couple times, and you're right; it stands without it, and it opens up the page some more. Anyone else got an opinion?
--Baylink 05:36, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

IRC faq

Why does the "other resources" link for Beirdo's IRC FAQ link to a link that links to a site? Can't we just link the first link right to the other site? --Kkuphal 05:49, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Because the sidebar link machinery isn't working properly for some reason. It's supposed to snap that link to the internal page and send the user there directly, and something is wrong. It worked itself out when I changed something before; we're watching to see if it does that here, too.
--Baylink 15:07, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Wow, the front page looks nice right now

The feature box works nice, and it flows right down into the news now. I'm inclined to say I think we're mostly done with the front page, for my tastes. For the nonce, at least. What does everyone else think?
--Baylink 15:07, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it looks schweeet!! ;) I dare say that notice box about the feature freeze and that super bowl thing you guys watch should have a border of some-sort around it though. It just seems like it needs it. --WhyTey 21:05, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, maybe I'm wrong, since Kevin agrees with you. I was pleased that he side-boxed the feature, since that kept the box from breaking the flow of the page. I guess I think that bordered boxes are worse about breaking that visual flow than non-bordered ones (which feel more like just a background color swatch than an actual box). I'll leave it up to Kevin; if he puts the border back on, I won't take it off.
--Baylink 21:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Add MythPeople to the categories on frontpage

Add MythPeople to the categories on frontpage.

Well... (and, first, please remeber to sign your talk page notes?) We're not actually *doing* main-namespace pages over here for MythPeople; most of them should either already have been moved to User_talk, or should go there when the users actually appear. I note that you've done a bunch of work this weekend, including some user pages not your own; were those ones you copied over manually from the old wiki? Or were you just categorizing? (You didn't put summary comments on them either, so I wasn't sure what you were doing, and I haven't delved into the page diffs yet.)
--Baylink 19:37, 4 February 2006 (UTC)