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Tuner Page Deletion

To: Wagnerrp

Fm: Njsharp

Re: (Deletion log); 05:06 . . Wagnerrp (Talk | contribs) deleted page LeadTek WinFast DTV Dongle Dual ‎(MythTV does not write tuner drivers, so we do not have individual tuner card pages. Please create them on the linuxtv wiki.

OK, happy to comply.

Bit puzzled though:

a) Found a page named LeadTek WinFast about another LeadTek device, so thought one more would be in order. My bad, obviously

b) "MythTV does not write tuner drivers, so we do not have individual tuner card pages." seems a complete non-sequitur.

1 "MythTV does not write tuner drivers" Understood.

2 "We do not have individual tuner card pages" OK, that's fine, but is not a derivative of 1

c) I would copy what I wrote on LeadTek WinFast DTV Dongle Dual to linuxtv site but I can't as you removed it. Might you be able to put it on my discussion page so I can do that? I can of course take a lot longer to try and remember the contents and recreate it. Bit boring.

d) says "Register yourself and contribute." Perhaps it should add: "Be prepared to have your contribution peremptorily wiped within hours without any reference back to you asking for some action, however reasonable that request is".

Yes I am a bit disappointed with the way you acted, but continue to be deeply impressed with MythTV (0.27/Ubuntu 14.04) and very pleased with my new tuner stick.

Cheers Njsharp (talk) 04:51, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the other Leadtek page you found, of important note is the warning box found at the top of that page.

Warning.png Warning: This page has been locked and archived on September 28, 2010. The official documentation for this card can be found at Leadtek_WinFast_TV2000_XP_Expert. This page remains as there is significant information herein not included in the official documentation. Please migrate any such information to the proper location.

Several years ago, it was decided that since we do not write any special support for (almost) any tuner cards, we should not have our own pages that would cause misdirected search results away from the authoritative pages hosted by LinuxTV. Any tuner card pages that were duplicated on the LinuxTV wiki got deleted outright, as this one did. Any tuner card pages that had information not available on the LinuxTV wiki were locked, with instructions for interested users to migrate that information over to the LinuxTV wiki. There are a few devices like the HDHomeRun, which we interface directly with, or one-off devices like the HDPVR, that we do maintain pages for. Anything else that does not need MythTV-specific instructions should be limited to a line item on one of the following lists, with an optional link to the respective LinuxTV page.
Since the page was going to be deleted at some point, I didn't want you to continue to fruitlessly work on it. There wasn't much on there yet besides a dmesg dump. I can still access the plain text of the page if you want a copy, however there is already an existing LinuxTV page for this tuner. wagnerrp (talk) 05:26, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

To: Wagnerrp Re: and edited HD Formats page

Thank you for your follow-up - I had a major WAF problem with DVDs and Blu-Rays not all working within the same MythVideo menu system and not working seamlessly across 3 myth frontends around our home. After finding an acceptable workaround for myself, I thought I should contribute it for others who may have the same immediate need. Being new to the Myth Wiki, I wasn't sure how to go about doing this. Apparently we were both editing the HD Formats page and "collided" - I didn't really understand what happened at the time. I took no offense to your undo and movement to the new page and understand your solid reasons. I prefer storage groups, but I just couldn't figure out how to work with them on the command line from within my script.

I saw you did some clean-up (thanks) - I look forward to more clean-up and hopefully a proper long-term solution to unifying Blu-Ray and DVD disk images. Direct support of Blu-Ray ISO images was a top priority for my situation. Thanks, Seschulz

Talk: find

Thanks for editing my addition to Talk: find I had said that the script should remove deleted recordings from Previously Recorded. You removed the comment saying that it already does that. Interesting. Another bug in my system, I guess: I just spent several hours doing this by hand after had done its thing. Hugh 05:16, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

When the script deletes recordings, it tells the backend to force it (as it will normally abort with no matching file), and it tells the backend to mark it as available to be recorded again. Ideally, the Previous Recorded (`oldrecorded` table) should exist as a permanent record of everything you have ever recorded in MythTV. When the script tells the backend to allow re-record, it merely flips the 'duplicate' bit for the matching entry in the table, causing further scheduler runs to ignore it for duplicate matching.
The other issue you are having trouble with is likely an otherwise harmless race condition. When the script runs, it grabs the entire contents of the `recorded` table, performs a full filesystem scan across all available backends, and then sorts out the missing entries. When you tell it to delete, it rapidly runs that list of recordings through the backend, and then repeats that process. You get a bunch of entries showing back up as it has pulled another copy the `recorded` table before the backend actually had a chance to delete those contents. By the time it is done filtering, displaying to you, and waiting for confirmation to delete, the backend has already done so. When it then gets around to telling the backend to delete, there is no database entry to delete, and the backend returns an error, causing the script to print its own error and recycle the list.
That's really useful knowledge. Should that be added to the description of In fact, I don't see the "duplicate" bit mechanism described in Duplicate matching. Where is it described? Hugh 14:18, 2 July 2012 (UTC)


hi, have seen it is a bug ... have you placed a bugreport, or shall i do so?

have checked mythtv-trac: i guess this bug is reported allready in #9824 --Sususu 10:34, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Multirec configuration confusion ....

I think the paragraph that begins "The consequence of this is that live TV..." is unclear. Apparently MythTV as of Oct 2011 is not able to let LiveTV tune to channels from across multiple physical tuners when multirec is enabled. As LiveTV and multirec are both sensible defaults, it seems crazy that this situation persists. But the sentence "The alternative is to go back through after adding tuners, and add one more virtual tuner for each physical one" - this suggests there is a configuration solution to this problem, but I can't figure it out! I already have the max of 5 virtual tuners configured for each of the 2 tuners on my Hauppauge HVR-2200 (set up like this from scratch). Is the fix to go back into the configuration, and add one more virtual tuner to each card (ie .... 6 virtual tuners?) Surely not. I would love to help find a fix and sort out the documentation for this issue ....

- dan77g

When using LiveTV, your zapping is limited to those channels that can be tuned by your current tuner. This has nothing to do with multirec, but is just standard behavior of MythTV. This is to prevent potential scheduling problems where a user would unknowingly usurp control of a tuner from a recording (scheduled recordings always take priority). The problem with using multirec is that two users can be using two instances of LiveTV on the same tuner, or one user and one recording. When a tuner is in use, the other virtual tuners are locked to that multiplex.
The semi-kludgy work around described on that page is that you add your tuners sequentially, with 2-4 virtual tuners each. You then go back through and add one additional tuner for each, and set the frontend to avoid conflicts with recordings. Scheduled recordings will work down from the top of the list, looking for the first tuner capable of tuning that channel. Since the virtual tuners were added sequentially, it will automatically prefer an in-use tuner over grabbing a fresh tuner, potentially to record on the same multiplex. LiveTV, with that setting, will instead work up from the bottom of the list, with each new session getting its own fresh tuner. However, as before, each tuner being used by LiveTV means a potential conflict where you may no longer have sufficient tuners for your scheduled recordings.

Removing completed feature requests.

Hi Wagnerrp, Just noticed that you removed[[1]] a feature request and commented that it can now be done with mythccextract. However if I search the wiki for mythccextract I get no hits. Would it be better to at least create a new page for mythccextract, paste in the request and add a quick comment to say that mythccextract can do this. Maybe mark/label the page for further editing by someone else, but then people would at least be able to find out that MythTV is now capable of this functionality.

The best option would be to document it in the manual somewhere, with a page describing its use. The feature request pages are really too large and hard to read though as it is, leaving large numbers of 'closed' items just clutters it that much more.
Firstly thank you for all the work you do to tidy up the wiki. Without you this site would probably be a mess of spam and bitrot. I agree that the best option would be to document it in the manual, but that isn't what you did and nor would I expect you to. I just thought that it would been worth creating a bare basic page that acknowledges the existence of the feature otherwise someone else might end up making the same suggestion.
I want to say thank you for your work on this wiki, too! As a long term MythTV user (since 0.14) it became one of my favourite websites. I have no deep knowledge of wikis, but lamp and website programming in general. So I have a suggestion for the mythtv wiki: there are many anti-spam tools out there which would greatly improve reading "Recent changes". Sadly, there is a lot of spam account creation (and your deletion) entries which keep the viewer from having a quick overview what valuable wiki entries really have been added or changed. Getting rid of those spamming lines would make this valuable MythTV resource even more valuable :) - reznor
Heh. I've been meaning to do something more permanent about that, but haven't gotten around to it. A while back, I added a simple filter that would block anyone from using anonymous mail services like Mailinator, and that knocked out most of the spam we had been getting. Now everything seems to be coming from domains like Hotmail, Yahoo, or to a lesser amount Gmail. I can't very well block those. On the other hand, even if I never touched those new accounts, less than five percent would ever even bother authenticating, and chances are don't even have access to the email address they used to sign up with. We're nearing the 20k user mark, but less than a quarter of those have authenticated, and then only some 3600 have ever made a single edit.

Editing the manual

Hi. The history says you've edited the manual lately and I'm asking if you're the one referring to yourself in first person there (User Manual:About). I'd like to contribute some more - I've done some basic edits already. So I'd like to know a few things about "style" in terms of voice (first/third person) and any other tips for consistency. Thanks.

Nope. For that page in particular, the only changes I made were the addition of the right side bar, and the removal of an old named page in favor of a proper User: page. For future reference, you can use the radio buttons on the left side of the history page to select a range of edits, such as this. Try to stay in third person if at all possible. Thanks for the edits!

Mistakenly blocked

Hi Wagnerrp. You have blocked my account 'InfoJester' (Block ID #4943 04:11, 11 November) with a comment of spamming. I hope this is a mistake as I don't think I've even added anything yet. Please can you remove the block as I'd like to contribute.

Thanks Wagnerrp. These things happen, it's no big deal. I could see that you were having to make loads of blocks so it's easily done.

Re: August DVB-T208

You mentioned creating the page for this on the LinuxTV forum. I couldn't work out how to do it, as the methods described didn't work for me (enable edit for sections, then click the edit next to the appropriate section name. The edit next to the section never appear). As you were so vigilant in removing a page that was doing no harm, feel free to add it yourself.

It's a wiki, and in fact the same MediaWiki engine we use. You create an account and add a page in the same manner as you do here. Enter the name of a page that does not exist into the address bar, and then click the "create" tab on the warning page it takes you to.
I removed the page as we do not have anything to do with DVB API tuners except to use them, and it was decided nearly three years ago that we would not have such pages here, as indicated by the warning you copied into the top of the page. As for me creating the page, I do not own such a card, I do not write tuner drivers or deal with hardware, I don't even use DVB television, so I cannot on any authority add any information to that page. wagnerrp 12:05, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
It isn't as simple as that. For example, adding it to the table found here -> isn't a case of just pressing 'edit'. Following the instructions to add it to the table do not work for me. I don't really see the point in creating an orphaned page.